Everyone,

This blog brought up a good question.

How much tax is too much. How much tax is enough?

Your thoughts?

ghost.

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6 Responses to

  1. Historian says:

    Taxation is ALWAYS theft. The goal of any true Libertarian is always to completely eliminate taxation of any sort, and the idea of compulsory participation which underlies it.
    You have no right to compel anyone to do anything against their will, to initiate force against an innocent person. In this particular instance, If George decides that he will not help his friend, he will pay the cost of that decision, which would probably include the loss of friendship of both George and you. That, too, is freedom of choice and contract.

    With that said, these united States did not get where we are overnight and the journey back to freedom and liberty will be a painful one. I would rather be robbed of only part of my belongings and effort than all of it; any reduction in thievery is preferable to none.

    • Did I read what you wrote correctly?

      Do you believe the Founders Framed this country upon libertarian ideals?

      ghost.

      • Historian says:

        I cannot speak to the accuracy of your reading, sorry! I don’t know what you think I said, so cannot comment in that regard.

        “Founders” is an inexact term; there are at least two major subsets and many minor ones.

        As regards the authors of the current Constitution, certainly they did NOT write the Constitution with ‘Libertarian’ ideals in mind. All of the available evidence suggests that the Constitution was a compromise between significantly different ideas and significantly different regional cultures, primarily with the idea of establishing a strong central government at it’s core. In essence, the Constitution was a more or less bloodless coup d’etat by the Federalists against the miniarchists of the day, overthrowing the Articles of Confederation which unlike the Constitution were specifically stated to be “perpetual.” Various commentators for most of American history have pointed out various flaws in the present Federal Constitution; most of those criticisms have been borne out. The US Constitution, by itself, is a toothless guardian of our rights, QED.

        As regards the authors and signers of the Declaration of Independence, who were largely a different set of people from those who wrote and signed the Constitution, I think that the present day Libertarians have much in common with those who favored a small central government, supported the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation, and believed that the function of government is to protect individual rights. In that sense, yes, I believe that Life, Liberty and Property were the core values of these united States, and that libertarian philosophy and politics support those principles.

      • TheWordpressGhost says:

        Thank you for your reply,

        Even though, you pass the buck.

        OK, I do not believe my ancestors had any remote thoughts of becoming anarchists and libertarians.

        Nor, do I believe they wanted the Republic to become the fascist state it is becoming.

        But, there is a huge difference between being for reasonable taxation with representation and supporting no taxation or maximum taxation.

        IMHO.

        Thanks for your invigorating commentary!

        ghost.

  2. Historian says:

    Once you yield your principles, what do have you left to resist tyrannical encroachments?

    Our present disastrous economic and political situation is the result of decade upon decade of ‘reasonable’ but ever-increasing infringements of our rights. There is indeed a huge difference between standing fast on the principle of property rights, and anything else, and present events are a direct result of ‘pragmatic’ or ‘reasonable’ compromise. This country was not established by reasonable compromise, it was established by the residents shooting the agents and soldiers of their legal government when those agents trod upon the resident’s rights, with considerable logistic and military support from the French.

    Today, the military and political climate has changed considerably; we no longer have a Lafayette or a Louis to undermine the aristocratic corporatist status quo here in these united States, but there are somewhere between 150 million and 200 million gun owners in this country, and between 2% and 10% of them have the training and the will to use their arms in defense of their rights.

    As regards what the authors of the US Constitution wanted, that is not clear. One of the major participants, James Madison, IIRC later regretted having been taken in by Hamilton and his New York Federalist cronies. There are some authors who speculate that Hamilton saw the Constitution as a back-door method to establish an aristocracy in America; it may well be that Hamilton envisioned the US becoming just such an oligarchy as it has become, but in any case these speculations are fruitless when considering how we might get out of this mess.

    What is worth considering is using the myth of the Constitution as a tool to restore liberty. Myths are powerful things indeed, and the myth of the Constitution one of the most powerful of all. Many men have died for their oath to protect and defend it, and while our putative rulers sneer or ignore it, the myth of the Constitution as a limit on governmental power is still widely revered among the productive people of these united States, and a wicked stick that the FreeFor can use to beat would-be totalitarians.

    • Well, I believe historical speculators are part of the new elite.

      My ancestors fought to liberate us from the British and their elite. Why should I want to bow my knee to a new elite?

      It would be nice if we had champions who would defend our rights, our freedoms, and our Founding Articles. And that is why I believe we need to Amend the Constitution to protect the People from elitists.

      ghost.

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